Sunday, April 10, 2011

Dove & Serpent Oasis Debate on 2012

The original question was: 
What are your thoughts on December 23, 2012?  Will it be a new revolution in consciousness, nothing or destruction?

by Frater Post Tenebras Lux

We just need to remember how the date really came to be considered so significant:

Many years ago, in the Mayan capital: a wealthy man is surveying
his room of slave-scribes, all of whom have been calculating the
calendar into the future. They have no idea why they have been set to
this task, but their lot is not to question. It is tedious work, but
full of mysteries; no one quite understands why their master wants a
list of all the three-day weekends, for example. SO I CAN PLAN A
BARBEQUE, he shouts. What does that mean? Today he strides around the
room with his usual imperious swagger, peering at their work,
correcting mistakes – one slave put “thanxsquvng” on the second week in
November, whatever that was, and he was beheaded on the spot – and when
he is done, he asks how far they’ve gotten. He does this every day.

“December 21, 2012” says Tectoquixtal, whose name means “Urine of Jaguar.”

The master nods, as if he expected nothing less, then turns and leaves
the room. Tectoquixtal watches him cross the street – and can barely
believe his eyes when his master is struck by a spear thrown from the
nearby practice range. It catches him in the chest, and he drops
without a sound.

Tectoquixtal looks down at his work, the date Dec. 21, 2012, and thinks, well, screw this, then.

93 93/93

Frater Post Tenebras Lux the Skeptic, who has seen any number of "momentous" dates pass in his 30 years or so in the occult community while the world went on pretty much the same.

by Frater Vesanus Coprocapitus

I like the story, but still find the date interesting.

This point in the great year (26000ishyr) seems to be the point when the movement of our solar system within the spiral arm brings it to a point with the least amount of matter and space between us and the galactic center.  There also seems to be a strong linear alignment (still looking for more astronomy on this) of bodies in space.

The other aspect of 2012 is the predictability of solar cycles. Not only are there 11yr sunactivity cycles but cycles of those cycles giving least to most activity peaks and valleys.  2012 and 2013 are peak times, december 2012 possibly combining the peak solar storm and flare blowoffs with the time their is more direct effect on this planet.  The actual timing of such direct flare is still in question.  We have been lucky so far at the beginning of the cycle upturn, that the major flares have come off the far side and were not aimed at us.

This would have been a great time to have already placed technology in space to research dark matter.  We will definately learn much of how to protect our computer technology from magnetic storms and the like.

by Soror Reynard

I believe there is a huge shift coming.

The human brain has been steadily evolving over the years/decades/centuries.  With this evolution, humanity seems to be steadily developing her more occult gifts: psych-ism, for example.

What if a pole shift pushes our evolution that much further?  There is enough iron in the human blood stream to assume that we would be directly affected by a huge magnetic shift.  In what ways?  How can we presume to know?

I don't think that we're going back to an agricultural age - unfortunately.  I was rather looking forward to butter churning and catching fish, wearing home made clothing with a baby on one hip.  Seriously, no joke on that.  I expect more technological advancements, to my partial excitement and greater dismay.  Still, I feel that a mental shift is immeninent - either through the collective will of humanity wanting a greater inter-connection to each other and the universe, or through means hoisted on us by major shifts or planetary bodies.

by Frater 222

I agree with Frater Vesanus Coprocapitus, more or less, on his points and with Soror Reynard.

The fact that 2012 is at the end of the great year (26,000 year solar cycle) is interesting to note.  grant spoke a lot about the occult significance of the 26,000 great year in his books.

Also, Vesanus Coprocapitus pointed out that we will be closest to the galactic center in 2012, 2013 which is another fact that is compelling in the whole 2012 controversy.  another term for this is the galactic rift...

Notice vassago's comments about a 'great rift' is coming for the 'entire world'

I also point out that another argument in the 2012 debate is the notion that a rouge planet or a brown dwarf star with a irregular orbit will come so close to earth and throw off earth's theory goes is that this is what caused the sinking of Atlantis and Noah's flood.

Frater Post Tenebras Lux

_Magnetic_ poles shifts have been verified, and overdue in simple terms of how often they've happened and when one last happened. It would undoubtedly screw up navigation for a while, though we'd get it sorted out. I'm not sure what else. It is known that many animals use magnetic fields to orient themselves, the most recently verified that I'm aware of being sea turtles:

However, in spite of scientists looking for such evidence based on its verification in other animals, no one has ever found any evidence that humans use magnetic fields in this way. I suspect we don't in fact - otherwise, I could probably at least find my car in the parking lot again without using my phone's GPS, or maybe even my way home if an accident forces a detour! ;-)  However, note "I suspect" not "I know" or even "I believe."  It is quite possible that we are equipped to detect such but trained to ignore it and use the many other, much stronger cues that our overgrown cerebrums as well as our technological world provide.

So I'm not saying that magnetic fields do NOT influence humans significantly. The fact that such influence is verified in animals proves that such is at least possible. But I suspect the effect, if it exists, is quite small. In any case, I'm also quite sure that we'd adapt to that. We'd just have to start making our maps with south at the top - or something. *g*

Actually, even that is a simplistic notion, because the phenomenon is well understood enough for us to know that the poles don't, in human time terms, "flip" in the sense of rapidly changing. The entire change takes thousands of years during which the magnetic fields get complex, possibly with multiple poles.

More to the current point, I am aware of absolutely nothing to link 2012 or the Mayan calendar in general to known past or anticipated future magnetic pole shifts. Is anyone else?  The magnetic poles do wander normally, and the NMP HAS been moving more rapidly of late than a few years before, but it is not known if this is outside the normal range. While the exact reason isn't also known there are some pretty good ideas about it:

> Sometimes the field completely flips. The north and the south poles swap places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Are we overdue for another? No one knows.
> According to Glatzmaier, the ongoing 10% decline doesn't mean that a reversal is imminent. "The field is increasing or decreasing all the time," he says. "We know this from studies of the paleomagnetic record." Earth's present-day magnetic field is, in fact, much stronger than normal. The dipole moment, a measure of the intensity of the magnetic field, is now 8 × 1022 amps × m2. That's twice the million-year average of 4× 1022 amps × m2.

> Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms.

We have already seen plenty of evidence of human thought continuing to evolve. As one friend commented to me back at the time of, oh, the "harmonic convergence" I believe, "both sides are going to continue getting stronger."  (At the time I dubbed it "the moronic convergence" which shows how long I've had these views.)  Overlooking the perhaps simplistic dualism in that statement, he's been quite right, at least in terms of social and political thought and evolution. There are areas in the social and political scene where we've made great progress, and other areas where we've really regressed since the 70s or even 80s.

But whichever way we evolve and grow, I don't blame or credit some vaguely defined or undefined galactic position or ancient calendar, but ourselves. The buck stops here. Sure we can grow greatly, or recede greatly, in 2012, but not because a cycle of a Mayan calendar ticks over a row of 000s on the chronological odometer, but because we do or do not choose to grow and do, or do not, choose to give in to regressive forces like fear and repression, superstition and tyranny.

Many other historic calendars have very different cycles with nothing special about 2012 but other significant dates.  Why is the Mayan one of particular importance? My admittedly rather sarcastic view is that weight is given to the next one up and, when it turns out to be pretty much a dud, we can always move on to the next one, always looking to something outside to rescue us or, alternatively, to throw us back into an existence our somewhat overloaded brains find appealingly more simplistic. Ain't gonna happen - we have to deal with what we have and when, where and who we are and take responsibility for what we become without looking to rogue planets or ancient calendars for our salvation.

And while I'm pretty at home with technology, part of me wouldn't mind so much being wrong. I think I remember how to catch fish, and I do know how to make black powder, cast lead, and shoot straight. ;-)  There's always something in us that yearns for that kind of Eden. But I really believe that whatever kind of Eden we want, we are going to have to make it ourselves before we can return to it.

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